Yoshi and Trek
Training Diary - September 2011
By Ellen
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Fri Sep 30
Yoshi
Herding. Only Linda and Sheltie Cody were there, so it was a
very relaxing time save for Elvie's lab deciding to bark furiously
at either Corgi - I let him bark back and we moved on.
Fortunately Yoshi is happiest in the herding environment and he
seems to like Cody. This photo is after both dogs had worked
goats and were tired and happy (click for a larger photo.)
Goat work. Went a lot better than last time where the goats
were being goats. This time they mostly moved. One
occasionally was being confrontational and I had to go make the goat
move. the main reason we're working with the goats is to get a
better stop and stay, and to work on stopping and then walking away
from the goats. Out/back is important too, but not as
essential as with sheep. With sheep we can just hang out at
some of the obstacles and practice him moving out. The goats
tend to "stick" when they spend too much time around a barrier (they
decide they don't want to move any more, so we while we went through
the barriers a fair bit we didn't hang out there too much (we did a
couple of times, and the stickiness problem cropped up.
Trek was along for the ride but didn't do too much except tag along
with me some.
Later Trek and I went on a walk in the Fernside. I let her
find her way back and she mostly did it just fine. She has a
great nose.
Thu Sep 29
I keep wondering about Yoshi if this is just anxiety fueled
over-the-top prey drive. So I moved up Yoshi's Vet appt to Wed
11:30am so I can get the Xanax Rx sooner.
My thought is that if we address the anxiety then the self control
training will go better and be less controntational.
Yoshi Noon Walk. Quiet, no drama and he was surprisingly
relaxed. I didn't film it this time which may have been a
factor He actually could sit and watch a medium size dog
trotting on a flexi. I told him to Leave It and all he did was
watch and growl just a little. You could also argue that it
was the threat of correction that made for better behavior, but I
don't know how to prove or disprove that. It still stresses
him and it did take effort, so seeing if reducing his anxiety is
worth doing. I know he is less reactive when on Pet
Ease. I should try giving him a Pet Ease and then after 20
minutes taking him on a walk at noon and see if there's any
difference.
... or it was because we were doing some outdoor mat work with both
dogs (I did film this.) It works really well as if one dog
sits up you reward the other dog. The dog sitting up thinks
hey!" and lays back down and gets rewarded. Surprisingly
effective. Yoshi heard a sound and thought about leaving once,
but reconsidered which is a nice self control moment. Clearly
more outdoor mat work is in order. Maybe under a shade though
they like the Sun too. I might also leash Yoshi to cut the
amount of time to reset him - maybe attach it to the ground.
Trek walk
This time we went down High St which is a relatively busy street
(but still just two lane so not overwhelming).
She coped pretty well. I let her stop and sniff a lot because
she'd never been there and she found it reassuring. We
returned via Gibbons.
Wed Sep 28
Yoshi noon walk. I filmed parts again. right out the
door we had a dog start to cross in front of us and a barking
fit. I should have just U-Turned in the driveway but I had the
camera on so just backed up which just gave me a bunch of
lunging. Rest of the walk was uneventful. Most of the
dogs behind fences didn't even bark at us.
I am thinking that I should probably spend more time in the backyard
with Yoshi on a mat watching squirrels. He prey drive is
probably the biggest problem and if I could control that then he
would be more trustable off lead.
I made an appt for Yoshi to see Dr Applegate, but it's not till the
11th. Since I want to try the Xanax pretty soon, I may call
and see if I can swtich it to Monday next week (Tue is her surgery
day so appts are few that day.)
Trek ODTC class
We started out with recalls and if I have Trek's attention she'll do
a perfect front but sometimes wants to blow by me and hide behind
me. The we did sits and downs which were perfect.
Then heeling and she was being iffy since Hazel's very sweet Saint
Bernard Samatha was laying down right beside the heeling path and
then during a figure 8 exercise Susanna got after Charlie for
no paying attention (all she said was a sharp sentence to him - he
of course was looking at me for cheese) and then Trek was a freaky
girl for a little while. Havel has us heel straight past the
area inbetween Sam and Susanna/Charlie which after about three times
she was able to do.
Trek did recover (I had Susanna spend some time with her feeding her
cheese which helped. I also spent time feeding Trek and
Samantha which is a hilarious contrast since Sam's head is 1/2 the
size of Trek. I put her Thundershirt on and she was able to do
a dumbbell retrieve on the flat very nicely. The new dumbell
is slick and she's dropping it some. I'm going to cover it
with cloth tape to see if that helps and while the tape can't go in
the ring it's legal to rough it up some. Next year I might
just get her a wooden one. I also have to decide if I like the
standard angle of this one or maybe get a high angle one also.
I can totally see turning into a dumbbell queen.
Also did stand for exam and since Lori told me I could walk around
her wider she's doing fine with it. No squirreliness on my
return.
Tue Sep 27
Yoshi noon walk. This time I did film parts of it. He
was on a little more alert that he has been in the past, but I'll
have to compare it to an evening walk.
Trek Agility Class. One of the skills that Sharon went over is
sending the dog to the rear of the jump and then calling them back
over. Sharon used the word Back, but that is way over used for
us so I used Out with my arm extended out and forward and then once
she's in position, turn my shoulders and move backwards and say
Over. It consistently worked well for us. She was a
little pokey for the evening except for charging up the A Frame
which she had a blast doing.
My vet Dr Applegate called and we talked about meds for Yoshi.
She said that Xanax is good for short term as it only lasts 6 hours
(takes effect in 15-20 min). It can make the occasional dog
more aggressive since the anxiety is gone, but I assured her if that
were the case that I would know right away. She would also be
willing to prescribe Prozac, but I'm leary of that though I still
have some and could just simply try it again. I go back and
forth on it but the dog that he mugged when he got away from me 2
weeks ago is still traumatized, so I feel it's the responsible thing
to at least explore Xanax.
For him to go on either of these he will have to do blood work and
he's due for his annual exam anyway. She tells me that the
cost of the meds is not bad now that they are available as a
generic.
Mon Sep 26
After yesterday, I just did a simple noon walk to let Yoshi relax -
I do need to film him during the different times.
At noon he trots in a relaxed way, panting normally. Head at
an average position. If I walk him in the evening, his head is
held higher, scanning around, panting faster, much more up on his
toes, much more tense.
Trek park training. Her heeling off lead has gotten pretty
decent without my working on it too hard. Some forging but
once she figures out that we're heeling she slides back to
position. My right hand position seems to make her
forge. This will go away once we get out of Novice and
leashes. One thing that seems to help is from a sit tell her
heel and if she jumps into a forge, stop after one or two
steps. Repeating this a couple of times helped. Heeling
is good in all sorts of directions save for backwards.
Her fronts still tend to target my hands so we spent a fair bit of
time on them. I'm trying to get her to stay with targeting my
face which is what she used to do naturally and still happens just
not all the time. Hiding my hands on a recall helps.
Stand. Trying to use the method that Lori described by
standing over her and have her go from stand to sit. It seems
to be confusing us, but it's new. Having her sit beside me and
I reach down and touch her belly which encourages her to stand does
nicely, but I don't know how to transfer that to a verbal or a
signal since the utility one is a signal, but it could take us a
year to get out of Open (we'll you're never out of Open) but the
point is that this is not a high priority issue right now. The
bigger issue is to encourage her not to shift when I return.
I need to enter her into the late October trials for Novice A, but I
am waiting until this weekend's trial so I know if I also need to
put her in Rally as well (I'm hoping she gets her title that
weekend, but things can go wrong like I could miss a station)
. I guess I could enter her in Rally Novice and consider
moving her up. Naw, that wouldn't be a good idea since it's a
major leap in skill. It would just be an insurance Novice A
leg (or would I move to Novice B?).
Sun Sep 25
Terri and I went to the Alameda House Tour which was much fun, but I
decided to leave the dogs home
Dog walks afterward - pretty normal.
Cathy came over for our DVD evening and I told her to bring her
dogs. Yoshi and I met them as they drove up and we watched
them get out of the car. No reaction from Yoshi. I then
put him in the crate in the bedroom while we got everyone settled
(Abby in an expen Jesse on the sofa with Cathy, Trek at Terri's
feet, and later I went and got Yoshi and we sat on the other sofa
apart from everyone. As long as neither Abby or Jesse moved
Yoshi was fine, but if one of them shifted he would go from being
relaxed (I was massaging him) to on alert with one full out melt
down. During the screaming struggling get-that-dog meltdown,
during which he never left the sofa despite his efforts, I tried
collar correcting him (no effect), shaking him and pinching his ear
or otherwise causing some pain (made him worse), yelling right into
his ear (no effect), covering his eyes (some positive effect, but he
fought it), blowing on him (strong, momentary interruption - learned
that from Trish King). There really was no forebrain there at
all. Out of stubbornness I did not remove him from the
situation ("You will learn to cope with this. Damnit.") and he did
settle down though I don't think he every relaxed as much as
before. He's such an odd duck. I do not know what
specifically caused the outburst unless it had been building for a
while, but I had been massaging him and he was relaxed, unless he
had dozed off and woke up seeing dogs (don't think so). I
think it was just the dogs shifting a little. Trek bless her
heart came up on our sofa after all the drama. Sometimes when
he's being high maintenance, she just leaves, but other times she
checks up on him.
So once again. In my experience, corrections only are
effective if you have a thinking dog. If you do, they can
help. Telling him to not be a jerk to a small dog when on a
walk appears to help, but if you don't have a thinking dog, they
appear to be ineffective in my dog's case.
This is not the first time he's gone from being relaxed to screaming
meltdown. I wish I understood it better. Last time was
during a massage and a dog walked by. Maybe I should put a
calming cap on him in those situations. The idea usually is to
help the reactive dog relax around other dogs but for Yoshi I'll
need to understand things better.
I didn't even think to try the dogs' Thundershirt
(http://thundershirt.com) - duh - it would have been a perfect thing
to try - next time. And yes there will be a next time.
He is getting some L-theonine/GABA at night and it is what helped
him mostly cope (I don't think he would have been able to relax at
all), but I don't know what's going to help him with the
meltdowns. Next time I will try adding a Pet Ease to see if
chamomile and L-Tryptophan helps put that reactive edge off (it
certainly does when he's in other stressful situations.) I'm
still debating on trying to talk the vet into Xanax.
Sat Sep 24
Both dog walks went fine.
Yoshi and I were walking on Central and a small Bully breed who
lives on Central appears on a side street on our side - they were
close and we did an immediate U-turn. Yoshi didn't know what
happened until he looked over his shoulder and started to bark
("monster!") but I pulled on the leash (and repeat) and kept going
till we got to the intersection before and crossed so we could work
briefly on him seeing the dog. Went not perfect but ok.
Saw Max the adorable Corgi puppy. Introduced him to his collar
and leash and sit and down. He's very bright and I encouraged
Mary Ellen to start training him now.
Fri Sep 23
Trek class with Lori
Yoshi herding was canceled so we went to Lake Del Valle to see if he
wanted to swim. He didn't, but it was nice even though it was
95-100 degrees out. there was almost no dogs at all. We
saw one lying down (no reaction), and then saw one right as we go
back to the car who he did react to. But in between it felt
like a state of grace as we were on a dog run trail with no dogs
(Friday afternoon).
Photos:
Thu Sep 22
Today was a very educational day
Yoshi noon walk. Once again he seemed pretty mellow and
happy. His mouth was open but he wasn't doing that rapid
stress panting and he wasn't scanning and wasn't up on his toes.
In the evening, after Trek's walk (detailed later) I took him out
again. What a different. He was scanning with his head
up obviously more stressed, rapid panting, up on his toes much more
erect body position - I should take photos sometime but I think I
know how I can help him and I wish I had done this before..
The factors were level of L-theonine/GABA in his system and the time
of day. while there were some dogs around there was no more
than he's seen at noon, but even when there wasn't a dog he was
nervously scanning. What we're going to try is cut his GABA in
1/2 in the morning and give him L-Theonine/GABA in the
evening. Trouble is that it takes a little while to take
effect but it might build up some if we gave it to him twice a
day. There is no data on giving it twice but we need to try.
He's barking some tonight so I just put a little in a pill pocket
and gave it to him.
Dog encounters for the evening walk. Walking along and here a
voice saying HEEL. Look around and theres a labX in a prong
collar and a woman in her late 60s. Not that old, but not that
confident or physically stable looking either. I let him look
at the dog and he barks a little. This is clearly not a good
sitation, so we just leave and he settles down some. We do see
them again while we were talking to someone and he went running up
her stairs and barked at the dog again but it wasn't a teaching
situation so we again just left. He is starting to trust that
leaving works and I like that. We we tailed by a medium sized
black and white Springer and we just kept moving and even crossed
the street as they were catching up. He was concerned, but
keeping moving helped.
Trek obedience park work. She is so ready. She can heel
off lead in a figure 8 even. I'm tempted to just put her in
Novice instead of Beginner Novice. Beginner Novice is a
completely separate titling sequence that anyone can enter so
getting a Novice leg won't affect BN. It's funny, I decided
that I was going to keep her in Rally till her heeling improved, but
it already has so I think we need to just go for it. Too bad
that entries for the trials we entered on Oct 1 and 2 have just
closed. But my not speaking her her much may cause some
question in her mind though I don't have to talk to her much as it
is but I do say her name at every turn but in today's practice I
didn't do that and she was pretty good.
Wed Sep 21
Yoshi noon walk. He's so happy. Sometimes wants to
charge up to something to check it out (which I do check him some if
he's not listening), but in general he was trotting along, but not
stress scanning and not up on his toes. We did see the GSD on
Fountain (diferent dog than the one we see walking - I think - not
sure) who keeps trying to throw himself through the windows.
This bothers me more than it bothers Yoshi. We did see a slow
moving smaller dog across Central but no reaction from Yoshi.
Trek agility class tonight at 7:30.
She did pretty well. It's a more advanced class in general
though the courses are the same. It goes at a faster pace so
we often can squeeze in another run. She's tired and wasn't
driving ahead on jumps that much. It's possible she needs to
be in better shape or do more running with me.
We need to work on harder weave pole entries (like 90 degrees) so
she understands the idea of finding the entrance. Susan
Garrett's 2x2 method is good for this. I went back to using
wires as I was more successful with it but it might be worth
revisiting it. Her table was very nice tonight.
I don't know what I did but her stays are suddenly better. I
tell her to sit and stay (just the word) and she stays. I
think it's because she's more comfortable with the dogs in this
class. If this class didn't conflict with ODTC's drop in
obedience class I'd lobby to switch her over, though Sharon gives
more instruction in the other class. In the meantime we'll do
this one once a month while there's still space.
And princess dog was willing to go in the crates there without
complaint.
Tue Sep 20
Yoshi noon walk. Saw the slow moving GSD, but even though the
dog is moving slow a GSD is beyond my criteria so we cross the
street and walk past the dog with Yoshi happily eating cheese.
That was it for the whole walk. It's occuring to me that he's
definitely calmer at noon. I'm wondering if it's because he
gets his calming stuff in the morning. I'm going to go back to
him only having the Pet Ease incidentally so he won't get that in
the morning, but will still get GABA L-theonine and yogurt.
And Terri tells me she's been giving him 1/2 the amount of
L-theonine and neither of us have noticed any difference. I'm
considering that maybe we should give him a little L-theonine and/or
GABA at night too.
Trek walk. A large noisy UPS truck pulled up right beisde us
and parked. She got a lot of cheese for it. the driver
got out and asked if dog treats solve everything. I said with
large noisy things like UPS trucks they sure can. Trek and he
said a brief hello.
Mon Sep 19
Yoshi lunch walk. I'm usually walking Trek at noon because
it's noisier, but it's time to switch things up some as I'm curious
to see how he does during the day.
Not as many dogs, but there's less traffic so we can get a lot of
work done when we see one.
2 dogs. One Aussie walking casually down Central. This
is not the small dog criteria but I can't resist pushing a
little. We cross Central (they were headed right towards us),
but we don't go all the way to the sidewalk but stay in the bike
lane. Yoshi starts to complain, I tell him to leave it [pop], repeat
twice. then he relents, but the dog is just started to pass
(figures). No reward except for the dog going away.
Now on Gibbons, we stop to let a JRT or Rat Terrier approach across
the street. I let him get a good look at the dog and say Leave
It (matter of factly - not threatening, leash is loose but at the
ready.) He sits there watching. HE LOOKS BACK AT ME.
Good boy (I praise him). Leave it.. He looks again. He
looks back at me. Dog has passed with no reaction.
Reward and Jackpot (cheese city) and lots of praise and petting.
He's very ADHD in a way attention span of 2-3 seconds unless
something is holding his attention.
Sun Sep 18
Took Yoshi to Lincoln Park to wander around kids playing chaos and
the occasional dog. He did great. Saw 3 dogs and started
pulling and I checked him back about 3 times per dog. Just to
prove the point that it's animals in motion we nearly walked into a
large lab lying down that we got within 20' before I saw him and
skirted around - no reaction from the dog or Yoshi at all.
Same thing with a cat lying down on the sidewalk. Mistook a
wagon for a dog barked once or twice so we walked towards it and
followed it some so he could get a look at it. All in all it
was successful. He seemed to have a nice time.
Trek walk. It was getting dark so we walked through the
Fernside and she walked at a good clip this time probably because
she had been that way a few times before. Thankfully no
raccoons.
Sat Sep 17
Terri and I went to Big Basin for a nice hike and then a very lovely
decadent dinner at La Fondue. Jan came and visited the dogs a
couple of times.
Fri Sep 16
Dylan Yoshi's littermate gets Xanax for situational stressful
situations which is something to consider.
Herding today. It's so nice to go herding as he is at his best
behaved there.
Herding the goats didn't go nearly as well today as the goats were
being well, goats. There was moments but it didn't seem to go
that well. Then for the next time Linda pur him on sheep in
the middle pen and she did the majority of the handling and he did
great.
Someday I'm going to get the foot work right. I he's too
close, step through the sheep wack the stick on the ground and say
"Get back" or "get out" and then just as soon as he turns slightly
away, take 2 steps back releasing the pressure and keep the sheep
going. You can change direction here too if you wish.
He's so much calmer with Linda - the sheep are calmer too. It
helped that it was his second session and he was tired. I hope
we get to continue to work in the middle pen so we can work on
lateral distance.
Thu Sep 15
I've decided that I should start correcting Yoshi when he is just
being a bully/jerk and not actually afraid of a dog. The
obvious one is wee dogs because I don't think he's afraid of a wee
dog. I'm not going the prong collar route (I don't think
they're really necessary in our case since I'm stronger than he
is. So I just pop him in his martingale. I have to
choose such situations carefully or I just have a mess of a dog and
no learning, but it can work if he has a hold of himself and able to
make decisions. My concern is losing the warning but still
getting aggressive behavior.
Walk with Yoshi Trek and Terri. Terri was nice enough to join
us so she had Trek. Small white dog on our street. I hid
behind a car for a bit and then let Yoshi see the dog. He
started growling and barking and I gave him a leash pop.
Relent, then back at it. Pop, and repeat then he chilled out
but that might have been because the dog was going away.
Then a woman with what I thought was a small dog crossed the street
to say hello. I hung back and crossed over but asked that
Terri go take Trek over to say hello and she did. Terri tells
me the woman didn't have a dog so I must have been
hallucinating. As a result Yoshi had to heel past a cat and he
did very well.
Wed Sep 14
Noon walk both dogs. Just the basic shot version. No
dogs fortunately, but I did rig up a failsafe made of climbing
slings that loops over my shoulder and attaches to the leash.
That was if I fall or if another weird thing like yesterday happens
It won't slip off.
Evening ODTC class. Mr Yoshi earned the right to go again this
time with yesterdays f-up. He did ok, but I put him in a
thundershirt and gave him a Pet Ease. The Pet Ease probably
had the most effect though he was still stress panting. After
a good on-leash stay, and some heeling that sent him close to other
dogs and more importantly had other dogs approaching him I pulled
him out sat in a corner with a ring gate in between us and the rest
of the class and massaged his ears and face and neck. He
actually laid down after a bit and I rubbed his tummy too.
Everytime a dog came near I covered his eyes. He stopped
stress panting.
The we got up and did some recalls in the hallway but he seemed to
think that was weird. Then we got dumbells out and he was able
to retrieve his dumbell while other dogs were working but I had him
going away from them. He seems at the end of his good behavior
so I put him in the car which is a shame as he's pretty good at
jumping.
So after much debate I think I
first want to address his anxiety before I start getting heavy
handed with him and his misbehavior so that we have the best chance
at success.
Given that I decided to write Sopia Yin a locally famous vet
behaviorist:
Greetings Dr Yin,
My name is Ellen and I have a dog-reactive Corgi named Yoshi who I
have been training for 7 years. Using a lot of Control
Unleashed and obedience work I now have a good handle on managing
his behavior, but now that he's 8 I'm realizing that he's still
pretty stressed being in his own skin and I'm wondering it there's
something else I can do for him.
I tried him on Prozac and he attacked his best dog friend.
We then tried Clomicalm and then he would pin down the other dog in
the house and just scream.
After that I swore off Pharma and for years have only done carefully
researched supplements.
Right now he gets with his dinner of salmon and beef kibble (no lamb
as it makes him worse)
- L-theonine
- GABA
- 1 pet ease for the L-tryptophan
- spoonful of yogurt
Activity-wise he does herding and some obedience training. He
was trained for agility which is what I got him for, but other dogs
being around makes him nuts and he's bitten more than one dog so I
took him out of it.
You can see a photo of him here in our local Control Unleashed
practicing the CU game Look At That:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/cu_dogs_sf/
For seven years I've kept a training diary of his and my other dog's
training: http://frap.org/Yoshi/yoshi_training_diary.html
Some years ago we consulted with Trish King and the video they made
of him playing with a toy doberman now makes regular appearances
during her seminars. She gave me a copy and you can see it
here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlFDAod_KVI
I also have before and after videos of his Control Unleashed
training
Before Control Unleashed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZSOFsbR4fc
Him demonstrating the Control Unleashed game Look At That
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuV3MOvvyr4
While I have a handle on his behavior, he still reacts to dogs
approaching with in a very particular distance, and if he's not in a
herding pen he has to be leashed to me or crated. What's funny
is that if I can cover his eyes during a dog's approach and the dog
just appears near him not moving he's usually ok with the dog just
standing there. It's the motion that's the trigger. And
he is worse about dogs that don't look like dogs in his mind (i.e.
not corgis or Border Collies.)
I am in regular contact with several of his littermates. Three
of them are reactive. Two of them have to be separated from
other dogs even in the household where Yoshi is fine with the
carefully chosen female Corgi he lives with. I have a video of
them doing low speed wrestling here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dNN9g_1f3k
So do you think there is anything you can do for him? He's
come a long way but I'm hoping there's something else we can do for
him without endangering the other dog in the household. Right
now he may be stressed but his behavior is predictable and I worry
about a medication making him unhinged.
Thank you for any thoughts and let me know what my next step should
be.
Tue Sep 13
Yoshi noon walk. A Beagle on a flexi was catching up to us so
we crossed the street and I let him see the dog. But the dog
didn't have a human obviously attached and Mr. Y. lost it
(barkbarkbarkbarkbark). This time I didn't feed him, but held
his head and reasured him he was ok. He would listen for a
beat and then got back to struggling. What's interesting is
that he was expecting food even when he was panicking so it wasn't a
full panic. If we had room to move laterally that would have
worked. Moving away in any direction would have been a better
choice than making him stay still which is good to note.
Rest of the walk was fine, but it took him two blocks to
relax. This again was in the first block where his
reactiveness always seems to be the worst. I should try just
walking back and forth on his street.
Trek class
She shared it with Thyme. Trek and I did very well.
Thyme is much faster so I'm still working out my timing with her but
I'm better than I used to be.
After class I was messing around with Yoshi on leash on the
equipment but when I wasn't looking someone in the next class came
up to the upper field and before I knew it Yoshi charged off the
A-Frame pulled the leash off my arm and attacked the small
dog. Just saliva but Yoshi was in a completely different space
and I had to tackle him to get him to stop. The owner kept the
dog moving to stay away from him till I could grab him. It's
that same mental place that he goes when he's lost it before.
No forebrain at all, just a reaction "get that dog" machine.
The poor other dog was pretty shook up and I gave the woman the two
cheese sticks I had left over. I am more than a little peeved
at Yoshi. If I have his brain, he's ok, but when he's like
that the only way to reach him is to tackle him. While it's
tempting to beat the crap out of him when he's like that it just
makes him all the more mental. I would have thought that years
of counter conditioning would have helped, but it only goes as far
as he is able to stay thinking.
What is going to get him through this? Medication? He'd had a
calming tablet. But the tablets only last so long and it was
right on the edge of the amount of time it lasts. More mat
work? Maybe I shouldn't have him in the agility enviroment at
all but he likes it when the other dogs don't approach and he was
doing fine, before completely losing it, but if I can't guarantee
that he's going to remain tethered to me (that was weird that it was
just the right angle to come off) then I shouldn't have him on the
field at all. I can rig up a failsafe tether to me as I've
been thinking about it for when I was the dog's together and if I
where to trip and fall. Too bad I don't wear a belt but I
could come up with a bag that fits around my waist and tether a rope
between the leash and it. Or I can rig a chest harness with
rock climbing equipment which might be simpler.
Every so often I ponder an electric collar but I would have to learn
how to use it and I really don't like them and things happen just
too fast to react with one.
It's funny how he isn't like this in herding though he will run to
the fence to bark at dogs sometimes. I don't know what he
would do if there was a hole in the fence, but usually he's focused
on his job. But again an e-collar might be a good backup, or
it would make him even more mental.
Mon Sep 12
Vital Signs Podcast was talking about a girl with Selective
Mutism. What was interesting about it was the excellent
description of Social Anxiety and Fear.
It's based in the amygdala and helps you to disinguish what are real
threats. It's a balance of Serotonine, Norepinephrine, and
GABA. The treatment for Selective Mutism is cognitive therapy
in where the person learns to better evaluate what is
threatening. I'm trying to figure out what I can gleen from
this in relation to Yoshi. In the short term a patient
will usually get Prozac which didn't work with Yoshi, well in the
first few days he attacked his best dog frend, though I don't know
if that was Prozac or Trek's arrival.
Most the concepts in the podcast I know, but it was a great sum up
of all of it and I didn't know that it was centered in the amygdala,
but that makes sense as much emotion comes from that and it was
Patricia McConnell who pointed out that dog's have an amygdala
too. You really can't do too much with cognitive therapy for a
dog except reassuring words and you have to be careful that you
don't reinforce the anxiety. Classical conditioning with food
helps.
Using negative reinforcement like CAT (constructive aggression
treatment - I think) does, can help a dog learn that threat displays
don't work (you keep the "threat" dog around until the reactive dog
stops reacting. But for Yoshi the threat is the approach of a
dog. When the dog is past he relaxes. I'm wondering if
more work in the dog park parking lot would help. What would
help is to have another CU gathering, but he and the other CU dogs
catch on quick to the "we're training" context and their behavior
improves.
Feeding him helps. Covering his eyes sometimes helps and I'm
wondering if i should do more of that. But that doesn't do
anything to help him learn better. Maybe have a dog start to
approach and when he tenses have them stop. Or maybe I should
revisit BAT where the reward is to turn around. Yoshi loves
that.
At noon went and picked up some more Pet Ease at the PetSmart in
Albany. It's right off of 880 at (right) Buchanan on (right
again) East Shore. Could even make it as a quick stop on the
way to ODTC.
Because of that took both dogs on a walk in the evening.
Walking the dogs together is going much better than I
expected. Don't get much training done but it's not nearly as
comedic as it used to be. I think all the mileage of walking
them separately has really helped. Yoshi's behavior is no
different with Trek around and Trek doesn't react to Yoshi barking
at a dog. I don't know if Trek's presense helps him of not or
whether it's now just neutral. They do drag me a fair bit
though I can still insist on sitting at the corners. Yoshi
pretends not to hear me say sit but I can say By Me which is hard
are there is only room for one beside me.
Yoshi bark at a dog across the street on Central. We retreated
1/2 a house width and he was still watching the dog and really
didn't relax until it was clear the dog was going away. Later
we saw a GSDx at Gibbons. The person saw us coming and we both
stopped at the same distance away from the corner. I waved her
on and backed up to a house width from the corner and both dogs got
to eat cheese while the dog and person crossed (they were on the
other side of the street). So it appears that the magic
distance is one street and one house width.
Sun Sep 11
Trying out Brown Cow yogurt for the doggies. One spoonful in
the morning.
Then took Yoshi out to Bay Farm to train. Barked at one dog
who was staring at him but others he was ok with. Not too many
dogs at Bay Farm Fetty terminal area so we moved further down to a
park closer to the entrance near the BF bridge. Saw more
doggies and even walked some along a path which we've done
before. Passed a Sheltie from behind fine but when approaching
them he needed to be fed pretty continuously to hold it
together. Also was able to work obedience around a couple of
smaller dogs - though we did have to move out of the way one time
when one started coming right at us. Also was able to cope
with a three different larger dogs passing by. One at 70 feet
the other a bit closer.
Trek walk. Fine. Stopped and gave solicited opinions on
halloween costumes.
Sat Sep 10
I went on a hike - w/out dogs since it was too far for them (9
miles)
Yoshi did get a walk later.
Thu-Fri
various dog training moments - mostly successful.
Wed Sep 7
Yoshi noon walk. Someone walking by remarked: There's my
favorite Lincoln doggy. Cute.
Trek evening walk. I was going to go to ODTC class but am
running at low energy so passed. On Grove I found a wall/hedge
that Trek and I can practice backing up along. She throught it
was weird, but coped.
Tue Sep 6
Trek walk - straightforward.
Yoshi walk. It was 7:30pm and I was concerned about raccoons
so we went through the Fernside where the trees are smaller and the
streets quieter and the sightlines are better. Now that we've
walked there a few times he seems more relaxed. We had stopped
to work on right hand finishes and he paused looking up. There
was a lab walking along a bike in the road. So he got to each
a lot of cheese as they passed and he coped ok. Also back on
our street he got to eat more cheese as a wee dog walked by across
the street. Keeping the cheese in his face to begin with helps
with his reactions. After a short while I can let him look at
the dog without the cheese and he can look and then look back at me
Mon Sep 5
Mary Ellen and her sons came over to say hello to Trek and Yoshi and
that went great. They are getting a Corgi puppy soon and we
spent a lot of time talking about Corgi's and I answered some
questions.
Yoshi walk. Couple of sightings and they both went without
barking frenzy's. I'm feeding him more and I need to stop
mentally apologizing for it as the food is working and may be
helping his anxiety some. Today I noticed that while a dog on
Central was going by he lept up on me to eat. I realized that
standing on his hind legs is incompatible with lunging so I
encouraged him to do it. He did for a short while.
Trek walk. Some chaos of garbage carts being taken out but
that's about it. I can see we're going to have to work on
Leave It as that might be an issue since the next two rally trials
are on grass. There is no agility class tomorrow so I'll take
her to the Rally drop in at Oakland DTC.
Sun Sep 4
I moved Trek up to Ex A JWW and she got her first Q in it. It
was a lovely flowing course.
And this was in 85 degree heat but she was in the car today.
If she has been in Ex B she would have gotten 2nd.
Fast again was a no go. Didn't make her even try Standard
since she had done so well in JWW.
Yoshi walk
Yoshi walk. We stopped about a house width away from Central
to let a passel of 5 small dogs go by on the other side of the
street. It worked!
Sat Sep 3
Trek got her JWW Open title today. Though for the most part
she was sulking about the Dixon heat which got up to 85 degrees.
Fast was in the morning and didn't go well.
Standard was an I don't want to touch contact equipment sort of
thing.
Fri Sep 2
Can't remember right now.
ODTC agility trial is this weekend
Thu Sep 1
Trek walk. Said hi to a small child and her mom. Trek
coped fine. Rest of the walk was almost uneventful until we
were almost home. I heard my neighbor's Rottie barking which
is normal but the barking sounded closer like they were at a
fence. The it occurred to me that's not how their yard is set
up. Sure enough the dog is outside barking right at us.
I was pretty startled and was in the position of do we run or
walk. The dog was by the front door defending it so we slowly
crossed the street and the dog didn't follow us and I let a neighbor
know to call the owner (who works locally). I've had friend's
dogs killed by Rotties so I'm not a fan though this one just wanted
to go back inside. I never know whether to just drop the leash
and let Trek run or hang on to her and defend her that way.
She's not slow, but a larger dog can catch her and she risks being
hit by a car, and I don't know if she would think to run under a
car.
Yoshi walk. A few successful dog sightings. One I wasn't
prepare for so I just held his head facing me and away from the
dog. He doesn't like this but it works. My teat
technique is improving. I give him a treat and immediately
another follows which interrupts his reaction. It's funny I
know he's worried about the other dog but not so much that food
isn't a really good distraction.
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