Yoshi and Trek
Training Diary

By Ellen Clary
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Fri Jul 3
Off today. Need to prep for agility this weekend but need to tire
Yoshi out too. Can't decide whether to take him on a long version
of his usual walk or go off to one of the parks. He'd get more
exercise at the parks and more dog sightings but he'll be more stressed
about it. I think because it's a Friday and not a weekend the dog
traffic will be lower so getting out will be nice. Now the choice
of where. Ideally would be an area where the dogs are on leash
and under control as running dogs are tough for him still though he can
sort of cope, and also where there is a lot of lateral space to move
and good sightlines. The part of Washington Park where you can't
see the dog park would work but there are some key choke points there
that can make it harder. Bay Farm island has the same issue of no
lateral space. The old Navy base is great for lateral distance
but few dogs. Maybe walking around outside the hardly used old
dog park over there would work. If there's no one there could
even be inside it though still on leash or a long line. We
haven't been there in a while (that's where we took the first sit in
the car and eat peanut butter photos) so it's worth revisiting.
Before all that worked with Yoshi in the backyard on herding commands:
Down Sit Out Stay Here. Did a lot of put him into a down or sit
tell him stay and them moving around. Iffy at first but then got
it. Noticed that Down was way more effective than sit, I think
because I can put a lot more authority into the "D" sound that the "S"
and I can use the hand in the air signal. I'm thinking for
herding I'll go back to Down in at least some context and continue to
work on Stop (standing stop). Did some of Lori's airplane game
where you're moving around while the dog stays and occasionally you
swoop in with a treat.
Catching up on breaking older diary months into separate pages.
Think I've come up with a solution to the nerve wracking fear of
overwriting the main diary with an earlier month. Obviously save
it first, but also publish the entire diary with the name of the older
month's page which changes the filename that the publisher points to
and then edit that page down. Start with more than you need and
work down from there, but don't have the name of the main diary
anywhere around. Much better.
Reading about Trek ripping a hole into Yoshi's leg as Terri was picking
him up to break up an argument that he had started - This was the day
before we were going to get married (that was the very last day he was
on Clomicalm and life has been much better since then), and then the
ensuing conehead hell days. Much funnier now.
I swear the most obvious things occur to me when I'm not doing anything
having to do with it (I'm still making archive diary entries).
Trek is ambivalent about sheep, but has the talent and instinct.
So if I do decide that I'd like her to give a hoot I have to make it
more worthwhile for her and for her the most worthwhile thing is food
(well belly rubs but let's be a little practical), so this means that
being out in the pen earns you treats. I can see a whole herd of
purist herding instructors groaning, but if I want her to care then
it's time for Premack. Look at a sheep and get a treat and
repeat, and build from there. Eventually the sheep will go up in
value in her eyes.
Wed Jul 1
Yoshi walk - no dogs, but good practice sitting and letting humans walk past including a family of 5.
I actually was going to take Trek but she didn't want to go so I took him instead.
Yoshi nails - Walking him beforehand made a huge difference and he was
much, much easier to deal with. Again, the thing that works is to
start the dremmel out very very low (barely turning) and slowly turn it
up. He starts to squirm turn it down a little and then work it
back up. This is why having the variable speed (the truly
variable speed not just a few distinct speed settings) works so
well. I can turn it down and bring it up so gradually that Fydeau
doesn't really notice the speed change.
Yoshi Rally class
I did give him a calming tablet before hand.
He did very well. I was very proactive and took him out of the
room when the reactive dog was working, but he could work with that dog
in the room which I was thrilled about.
Exercises
Jump-right-right-serpentine (a series of four cones done just like weave poles though while heeling.)
Stand - a closed fist seems to work well as a distinctive signal for
him. I still have to help him stand and need to try to work away
from touching him.
Intro to moving stand - walk and then turn and toss a treat back saying Yoshi Get It
Talked about moving down
Practiced heeling and then doing a stationary down (stop and down), Yoshi is really good at this.
I've decided that the book about Yoshi could be called something
like: Yoshi: a 5 year journey to becoming a little bit less of an
asshat. Catchy huh? sigh.
Trek nails - still too long - need to work on them more on Friday
Tue Jun 30
Walked both dogs and uneventful for once.
David Wong put those cute photos of Trek and is up on his site. I'm going to be
buying an 8x10 of this
one: 
His website is: http://www.photoshelter.com/user/davidphotos
This is in the Bayteam USDAA May 2,3 Prunedale collection - in the Candids area.
http://www.photoshelter.com/image/I0000ZnUsPOQz6kM
Mon Jun 29
Trek dog walk. Windy so it was a bit challenging for her (lots of
random noise) but she's getting used to it and learning to cope very
well.
DVD night with all 4 dogs (ours and Cathy's two) started out all in
crates and then 2 out and then three and then four. It worked
great. Yoshi who was on leash and attached to me the whole
evening did very well and was completely relaxed for most of the
evening only bristling when Abby started to hop up and down (because
she needed to be controlled in his mind)
I think his calming supplement is starting to take effect again. I'll know more on Wed during his Rally class.
Barbara's daughter Bre took photos of Trek from last Saturday at
Willowside Ranch. For the most part she just looks like a hang
dog who'd been dragged to a place she considers a mild hellhole "Please send help - Wait, what's
that smell?" but the last one is cute.
Sun Jun 28
Terri and I went horse riding at Garrod Farms which was fun.
Training walk for both dogs. Trek was worried about a flapping flag, but seemed to settle after being fed around it.
Yoshi had more work to do as I waited till other dogs were out. 3
dog sightings all generally good results though when he's over
threshold I pretty much have to force him to sit, but I have few qualms
doing so now since we've been practicing this for a while now and he
knows the drill. However when I know he's going to be way over
threshold (white fluffy dog directly across the street) I can feed him
through it and he'll be ok. For one of the dog sightings I went
further away than I planned to (they had crossed the street), so I know
that he definitely can hold it together for 1 street width and 3 house
widths (it was 1 house length and one house width actually but that was
a good enough approx.
He wasn't coming in for Terri tonight so I stormed out there saying to
him "Yoshi HERE. You are nearly 6 years old and I am out of
patience with you." He promptly came in. Terri teases me
that I may as well be lecturing him with his whole name "YOSHI HAYATE,
you get in this house Right This Minute or I'll ..."
Sat Jun 27
Yoshi herding.
Today was a tough day for all but Trek and she would argue with that.
First thing was that the sheep were in the corner and standard
procedure with a green dog is to walk the dog on leash to flush the
sheep out of the corner. Trouble is one of the sheep decided to
climb over the gate into the next pen. I broke off saying "Ok
this is not going to plan." So we break off to regroup.
Then I was doing stay work with Yoshi on a long line. He was
doing terrific and the line was only 15' long so after a few reps I
dropped the line to get more distance. He broke the stay and
charged the stock and evaded me. Problem is the stock was small
goats and he locked on one trying to grab it to stop it with the goat
screaming bloody murder and me yelling at Yoshi. Goat and Yosh
slammed into the fence, both ok, but Yoshi broke off and I caught him
and threw him into the car crate and got Trek out instead.
Then (yes there's more but not involving me) a sheep decides to go
through a fence to get away from Cathy's Abby who's just standing there
not doing anything pushy at all. I wire the fence back together
as best I can (someone else is holding Trek who's trying her best to
completely disappear - not a shrinking violet, more a disinterested
one.)
Then I get Yoshi back out but I am not letting go of the line any
more. I tied the 6' leash onto it which gives me 20' to work
with. He gets his stay back but he so desperately wants to work
sheep but I'm not going to allow him to today. So we walk the
sheep around the ring with me keeping him 10+' away. The cool
thing is that The Sheep are Calm! I tell him this is what we
want. He seems unimpressed but is still interested. Lots
and lots of Walk Stop Walk Stop Walk Stop Sit.
Marian said that Trek could go in and see the geese and we even helped
move them to another pen. She's still unimpressed but is a good
sport about being dragged along - it's not like she's fighting to get
away. So much to her chagrin she gets to come along to herding.
I think Yoshi is going to start coming to agility as a tourist as long
as the terriers don't join our class (they will eventually).
When we got home I order him a Ray Allen Grip It 30' tracking line from
workingdogs.com. It should come in before we herd again since
next week is an agility weekend for Trek.
Fri Jun 26
No classes for Yoshi or Trek - though I still had the day off.
Went to Leiter's Rx to pickup another round of Trek's custom eye medication.
It's a pain as they want you to keep it refrigerated but we need to put it in her eye.
Wed Jun 24
Yoshi Rally Class
One of the dogs has some anger management issues and Yoshi seems to be
good at pressing that dog's buttons. Yoshi snarked at her, I wisk
Yoshi off into a crate completely out of sight, and she stays pissed
and is looking around for another dog to blame. Growls at Giles
and another dog neither are doing anything but glancing at her but
she's very much "What are YOU looking at?" Fortunately her owner
is pretty on top of things.
Later one I accidentally walked Yoshi near her and he's trying so hard
not to, but not realizing the other dog was staring daggers at him I
dragged him past (fortunately fast). He got through it but wasn't
happy about it.
He's having a hard time in the stays but copes sort of. The
problem is there is no place for him to do a stay that is out of the
way or close to other dogs.
Tue Jun 23
Double checking the numbers
CPE hasn't been updated and I probably need to give them more money anyway:
Bayteam Results from Sunday:
Regular/Veteran - FullHouse Round 1 - Level 1
Judge: Dogs Entered
Jim Collins : 9
Point Time: 8" & 12": 35 Total Game Time: 8" & 12": 40
Armband Call Name Breed ID # Owner/Handler Time Points Q / NQ Place
8071 Trek Welsh Corgi (Pembroke) 03558-03 Ellen Clary 35.00 29 Q 1
Regular/Veteran - Standard Round 1 - Level 1
Judge: Dogs Entered
Lee Ann Zerbian : 11
Yards: 136 Course Time: 8" & 12": 66 16"/20"/24": 61
Armband Call Name Breed ID # Owner/Handler Time Faults Q / NQ Place
8071 Trek Welsh Corgi (Pembroke) 03558-03 Ellen Clary 50.18 0 Q 1
This means that even with blowing by a jump and fixing it, AND stopping
to roll on the grass. we were STILL well under even the big dogs course
time. I think that's a little too generous even for level one. ;)
Canine Performance Events, Inc
| Member ID: | 03558 | | Generated On: | 01/07/2009 |
| Qualifying Runs for Dog ID: | 03558-03 | Trek |
| Show Date | Club Name | Judge Name | Class | HtCat | Level | Rnd | Time | Pts/Flts | Place | Q-Pts |
| 03/22/2008 | Bay Team CA | Terry Scofield | Standard | R | 1 | 1 | 31.37 | 0 | 1 | 25 |
| 11/08/2008 | Bay Team CA | Jim Hibbard | Standard | R | 1 | 1 | 40.02 | 0 | 2 | 25 |
|
| 03/22/2008 | Bay Team CA | Becky Dean | FullHouse | R | 1 | 1 | 40.56 | 29 | 2 | 20 |
| 03/22/2008 | Bay Team CA | Terry Scofield | Jumpers | R | 1 | 1 | 34.47 | 0 | 2 | 20 |
|
| 07/19/2008 | Bay Team CA | Dorris Wiglesworth | Colors | R | 1 | 1 | 36.09 | 9 | 3 | 5 |
| 03/22/2008 | Bay Team CA | Becky Dean | Wildcard | R | 1 | 1 | 38.04 | 0 | 2 | 20 |
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| 07/19/2008 | Bay Team CA | David Garrison | Jackpot | R | 1 | 1 | 42.22 | 37 | 1 | 25 |
| 03/22/2008 | Bay Team CA | Jacquelyn Oricko | Snooker | R | 1 | 1 | 59.28 | 33 | 2 | 25 |
|
| 07/19/2008 | Bay Team CA | Candace Rapp | Jumpers | R | 2 | 1 | 40.30 | 1 | 3 | 15 |
| 11/08/2008 | Bay Team CA | David Garrison | Jumpers | R | 2 | 1 | 45.26 | 0 |
| 20 |
|
| 11/08/2008 | Bay Team CA | Jim Hibbard | Snooker | R | 2 | 1 | 54.15 | 39 | 4 | 25 |
USDAA
Trek: Competitive Results Detail
AKC
No change:
We did pick up a jumpers Q on Saturday.
Castell Christmas Gift - DN10071801
| |
Agility - Awards Processed Through 05-JUN-2009 |
| |
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| Number Qualifying Scores |
1 |
| Number Different Judges |
1 |
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| Number Qualifying Scores |
1 |
| Number Different Judges |
1 | | |
Sun Jun 21
Bay Team CPE. Trek is entered but likely to be just a tourist, if I can get her out of bed at all :)
She came right along enthusiastically and did well in the
morning for 2 classes before running out of steam, so that makes
her half a tourist.
The first class was Fullhouse which is a game where you have to get
three jumps, 2 round things (tunnel, tire, chute), plus a "Joker" which
is are 5 point obstacles (in this case an A-Frame, weaves and a
double). In the process of completing the requirements you can
add on as many obstacles as you like ( I think you can do each one
twice though we didn't bother.) When the buzzer sounds you have 5
seconds to get to the table and you get one point off for each second
over, which means it's actually worth it to go do a far away high
pointed obstacle sequence and risk the deduction. Fun game but we
were just there to do some obstacles and weren't going for a
win. I designed a straightforward jump, jump, tunnel, double,
jump, A-Frame, tunnel, tire, weavepoles, and then was going to just do
jumps still the buzzer went off. Things were going perfectly and
we're in the weavepoles when I hear the horn going buzz, buzz, buzz
which means there's a problem. I'm literally going weave, weave,
weave, WHAT?, weave. There's been a timer malfunction. Now
we've done more than the essential parts of the course and were just
going into to screw around until the buzzer mode. She ran
fabulously and I'm not going to make her do it again, so I'm out there
saying Trek did great can we just take standard course time?
While we're talking, I take her over to the table to hop on it just to
make it official (that stops the run). Then it becomes "Well you
might not have gotten enough round obstacles." to which I say that I
can tell you our course (which involves 3 round things and you only
need 2) and then the supervising judge who's been watching jumps in
since he saw the whole course too. So he and I recite our course
to the actual judge who fills in the rest of the scribe sheet and
gives us an extra jump since we obviously would have taken one on the
way to the table.
The timer is uber-competent and feels just horrible "Are you sure you
don't want to rerun? You only had half a run. I assure her
that Trek ran great and that it's completely fine. Truth was I
didn't even care if she Q'd, but since she obviously did, I was going
to make sure that it was recorded correctly (she already has her title
at that level and I'm just keeping her at the lowest level in all
venues just to build her confidence.) I'm just glad that it
happened to me and not someone else where it mattered more and who may
not have been as confident. After all that rigmarole, Trek, no
only Q'd, but won the class even though it was abbreviated since we did
a lot of 5 point obstacles.
Sat Jun 20
Elk Grove Corgi Agility trial for Trek

Ran around the first jump and I got her back and restarted and she did
great. People are really impressed with her weaves with me at a
lateral distance (in both classes). She Q'd (95/100 a refusal
ding for the rocky start) and won the class
Std class. Had a teeter bail off, but did the other contact
obstacles, it's the only teeter she'll see this weekend which is nice.
And she is a table sucker and ran to it when it turned up in her path
even though it wasn't on course. (I did too good of a job reinforcing
it - I'll take it considering the alternatives :)
Fri Jun 19
Trek Agility Class. She did well. No teeters this
time. Ran out of gas on the last run so I stopped her instead of
begging.
Wed Jun 17
Yoshi starts Excellent Rally
A lot of the same dogs which is good, unfortunately there is the
addition of one dog that he hates and the owner isn't that proactive so
I'll have to watch him. Actually Hazel talked with her and she's
a lot better. Patricia and Mr. Giles are in the class and that
will be fun. Hazel took a second to warn one new person about
gettng too close to Yoshi which was fantastic.
Heeling outside into a Saxophone player - now that's outside the
box. I told Hazel that that was a little above and beyond.
She laughed and said he does good work though he does keep a distance
from me even though she knows I don't go around kicking him.
Sits and downs were tough for him but he was able to cope after I turned him around (and he was on hist mat.
He struggled enough that I'm going to put him back on his calming
supplement as even though he doesn't "need" it, it does help him.
Mon Jun 15
Yoshi Walk - no dogs. Think it's time to have Trek do the noon
time and Yoshi the evening. There are plenty of sounds at noon,
and more dogs after work and the days are long so no freaky evening to
deal with.
Trek noon walk. I was in no mood to deal with her being a wilting
flower so when we walked her over to the school I just ran with
her. Perhaps not all that well thought out but she needed the
exercise anyway and it gave me a chance to see how she'd be. She
actually quite happily ran and wasn't trying to hide or run
erratically. It's like it gave her something to do. I don't
like to run on sidewalks much myself so we won't be doing this much but
certainly could do it for a block or two every so often.
Yoshi evening walk. I even brought along the spray collar which is a lot to manage, but saw no dogs anyway.
Had an unsettling incident that could have gone really badly. The
dogs got out (which almost never happens - the wind had blown a
door open that I hadn't closed all the way) and Yoshi bit a dog but it
was on the dog's collar. The owner kicked at him and Yoshi came
back at the dog and the owner kicked him hard in the ribs (good).
By this time I hear the commotion and the fact that I'm hearing my
dogs not at all in the right places so I charge out yelling "DOGS!"
(multiple times - the all dogs come command). When I get out to
the front lawn both dogs are on the front lawn and coming to me, but
Yoshi is looking over his shoulder at a man and dog and that's when the
owner told me that Yoshi bit him. I told him I'd be right out
once I put him away. When I got back the owner said his dog was
fine and that Yoshi had bit the collar. I apologized and said he
was a herding dog trying to control motion. I'm just glad that
Yoshi never, ever aggresses to humans and that by the time I had gotten
out there he had retreated and was recalling to me. It's all pretty
upsetting, but could have been so much worse. The owner said
Yoshi might be a little sore from the kick in the ribs, I assured him
that was fine.
The chompee was a sweet male German Shorthaired Pointer who looked similar to this one (2nd photo down) (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/germanshorthairedpointerphotos.htm)
Somethings that I'm considering.
- I'm definitely putting a deadbolt on that door so it doesn't blow
open. I hadn't before because there's a window on it and I wasn't
sure where to put one. Now I've decided that I'm going to put in
one that has a keyhole on both sides and leave a key in the inside one
so it acts like a regular single sided one. When we go out of town for
more than a day, we'll remove the inside key.
- I had been letting Yoshi watch out the living room window, but I
don't know if that's such a good idea. I had been letting him
because I could control/suppress his behavior with the beeper, but
during that time he was getting really stressed watching the
kids. Somewhere around there both dogs went into the kitchen and
saw the open door, charged out started barking. Actually it was
Trek who was barking, Yoshi when he's doing what he did doesn't bark
much. Problem is I don't know how much time had past.
Enough for him to charge and chomp on a dog, get kicked back and charge
in again and get solidly kicked. Probably not that long - it
doesn't take long for him to get in trouble. Suppressing his bad
behavior without giving a better alternative is sometimes an unfun game
of Wack-A-Mole. The frustration and aggression comes out in other
ways. The best solution is to keep working on getting doggy more
comfortable in the world.
With that in mind I'm going to work more on relaxation. The
crates are great for that - our Monday DVD night with dogs in crates
and rotating a couple out at a time is by far our most peaceful, well
managed evening, but I'd like to do more with mats since I
can have them anywhere.
- I'm going to continue the sit and watch and eat while dogs go
by. I will still wrestle him into sits if need be, because I'm
asking for a specific behavior as opposed to just suppressing an
undesired behavior. So it's providence smiling on me that we
didn't see any dogs on this walk when I had the beeper with me.
- I'd like to be able to give him a behavior he could do when in
the window. I can't figure out if he likes the window or just
feels compelled to guard it.
- I am going to price roll up shades - preferably one's that are washable or resistant to dog snot.
Sun Jun 14
Spent the day with my sister Anne and her husband Russ.
Dogs stayed with Terri. Yoshi was generally an idiot around Russ
(a MAN in HIS house), but we just managed it and it was fine if Russ
didn't move and if he did he knew to just stop and let Yoshi grumb and
then he'd be ok. I mostly just kept Yoshi on leash.
YaHoo! They're finally formally studying just how screwed up
the
dominance theory about dogs is. My opinion is that the dominance
theory is about as useful to dog training as a rolled up newspaper -
even for wacking yourself over the head. If you want to wack
yourself on the head just use your hand as unless there's something
wrong with your self control you should be able to properly self
modulate how hard y ou wack yourself on the head. :)
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090521112711.htm
Sat Jun 13
Yoshi herding. Me handling. Trek going as a tourist.
That was fun and certainly more successful than we've been in the past.
I set up a basic JHD like course and worked on that . I kept
losing the sheep just before gate 2 as one in particular wanted to run
off to a far corner. If I could get Yoshi to stay on the inside
of the arena they wouldn't have an opening. Clearly something to
keep working one. I need to keep moving but reviewing
Marian's video I don't see her moving much faster but she's much better
at walking with intention.
I am switching to Stop - much easier and just about all I need really - I don't need a full sit.
Switching to my older Asics Kayunos running shoes (no longer a running
shoe - too worn out) was a big win as they have more lateral support
than my Gel Cumulous's. i probably really should have Trail
Running shoes but I have these and they work great as I can really run
and catch up to sheep.
I volunteered Trek to go into a pen full on 20 just weaned sheep to get
them used to dogs. Trek was very much "But there's this really,
really important smell right here" but did allow herself to be dragged
along on leash. The idea is to expose the young sheep to dogs and
to learn not to face down a dog but instead give way. There were
a couple of really brave stamp the ground and stare back ones that will
make excellent school sheep if they don't get themselves killed first..
Arlene is getting somewhere in teaching her new Corgi Ben down! and for the first time ever I got called a Rock Star.
(Silly since she's doing all the work - I just suggested an idea of
putting a treat on the floor and covering with your hand and waiting
and waiting and waiting....)
Subject: Ellen Clary is a Rock Star!
WooHoo!!! We just had Ben's 4th 'down' session and he has it!
I
modified Ellen's suggestion a bit. Instead of just covering a treat on
the ground I palmed it and made a show of moving my hand to the ground,
a very exaggerated variation of my 'down' hand signal. I wanted him to
associate my movement with his action from the beginning. A couple of
times he lost interest so I just raised my hand to get his attention
and repeated the motion. The first two sessions the downs were all
accidental. I even gave it to him for a couple of play bows. This
morning, about the third treat, he looked at my hand, dropped and
looked at my face to see my reaction. That's when I knew he was really
getting it. This time I took him outside on grass instead of on the
carpet in the garage. He went down within 3 seconds of my hand hitting
the turf.
Our instructors will be amazed at his progress. I'll tell them I owe it all to The Clary Method.
Arlene
And life just wouldn't be the same without the nightly "that's my pillow", "that's still my pillow" conversation:
Fri Jun 12
Trek Agility. For the moment, we have a working teeter
strategy. I'm done begging. If she doesn't want to do it I
tell her she can hop off ("You don't want to do it? Ok." and I
pull her off with my body language. During training I make it
abundantly clear that she could have had a nice treat (I usually have
the treat in one hand and today without even thinking about it, tossed
said treat into my other hand as if to put it away). Usually we
go through that once (this happen this class and last class) and then
she decides that it's completely fine and does the teeter and gets a
reward. I don't pressure her, but keep around 6 feet away or more
(she seems to like to work at distance on weaves and the teeter.
So now it's time to work on speed as she's getting slower. I
think I'll run with her off the line and maybe start running with her
for fun away from the course as well. I need to condition her
more as we did a 21 obstacle course and she was pretty winded by 16,
and we paused to let her rest.
Our class is down to 3 people (Trek, Charlie and Cash) so while
Rachelle figures out what to do I'm going to bring Yoshi just as a
tourist to watch.
Thu Jun 11
From a Coltsrunkids post of mine:
Maureen wrote:
> I didn't realize Trek has anxiety issues, too?
It's a completely different issue fortunately. She's sound sensitive.
First I thought it was from Idaho thunderstorms, but it's more about
percussive sounds like (ahem) teeters (drat), bouncing balls, and dogs
barking in enclosed areas (which echoes), and also metal on metal
clanging sounds like playgrounds (and the associated children's
voices). It's a physiological response: she pants, her heart races and
she shakes - which is exactly how a thunderstorm phobia manifests, but
we just had a very rare thunderstorm and she didn't care a bit. (Yoshi
did, not by freaking but by alarm barking at it - that's fine). Having
involuntary physiological signs really, really helps as I can instantly
tell when she's doing better, which is why I could tell that pressure on
her sides (either by hands or a shirt) helps her.
Trek's breeder Kathleen takes very good care of her dogs, but they are
crated in a side room which can get quite loud when a lot of the dogs
bark (and then a human shouts at them to shut up.) They also have a
duck hunting season which mean shotguns are going off though she's not
afraid of fireworks so I'm not sure how much a factor that is.
Ellen
I did write to Kathleen saying that she did not have Thunderstorm or
Fireworks Phobia, but more like some sort of fear of echoing or
clanging sounds.
It's interesting to me that when she's afraid, the only place
she feels ok is in her crate. This is a relief as given that she
was crated while listening to a lot of barking dogs she could have come
to hate it but didn't.
----
We have run pretty much out of Yoshi's calming supplement (but still
have the L-Theonine), I'm going to try him without it for a little
while and see how that goes.
I'm having a time crunch today. The dogs need to be walked, they
need their nails done before agility or herding, and I need to get to
REI to get low top Keens before we do herding on Sat and I was hoping
to get to the gym. Guess REI is going to win over the gym.
Maybe dog nails on Friday noon?
Wed Jun 10
Yoshi walk. No dogs, but lots of practice sitting for passing people.
Trek walk. I'm going to try taking her over to the school yard again if it's not too busy.
The Survior Buff came in so I brought it along. One quarter block away
she stopped and started to look axious. Looking up I see a kid in
the house across the street from the school is bouncing a volley or
soccer ball against his front steps. This does not bode
well. I put the buff over her ears but couldn't tell much
difference, she seemed to settle but only because I had my hands on
her. The kid went inside so I carried her over to by the
playground, but not right beside it, more behind a portable building
that is right by the playground. She's uncertain but a little
less shaky. I put the buff on her head and don't see much
difference. I put my hands over her ears and still don't see much
difference. Noticing that my hands on her sides seem to help, I
put the buff around her waist. That helped. Ah so we're
back to the T-Shirt idea. I let her walk some with the buff on
but since she's not a human female it works its way down her waist
which gets silly, but I have my answer - the T-Shirt is going to be the
most effective, sometimes it's the experimental failures that teach us
the most. I take her back home to change. She tries to drag
me back, but I don't let her, instead stopping to feed her every so
often. Being a Corgi she'll eat no matter what.
At home I put Yoshi's West Coast Chomper T-Shirt on her (I have two so
I guess one is hers - she uses it in agility class when its cold
anyway). We walk by the school and while she's not thrilled she's
way, way better. So we go off on a normal walk. The weather
is just slightly cooler, so it's interesting to see people's amused
reactions. I want her to wear a sign that says something like:
"This is my security blanket." Just wait till she wears it when
the sun is out.
I'll keep the buff in the dog bag in case I do need to cover their ears
for any reason - though I'm as likely to steal it for some mountain
climbing thing.
Tue Jun 9
Yoshi walk. One dog behind a fence surprised him but other than
that he was fine. Lots of people passing by and I have him sit as
they walk by and he's really good about that now.
I have ordered a Survivor Buff to try putting over Trek's ears in hopes
that will help her sound sensitivity. Candy G. does this from
time to time to her dogs though I'm not sure specifically why - I
should ask her. The buff ships from Elk Grove so I will get it
tomorrow or the next day. She can model it for her agility
class. If she likes it she can practice the tetter while using
it. Trek Survivor Tocantins does Teeters.
Mon Jun 8
Yoshi walk - 2 Yellow Labs, 2 different reactions, very telling.
The first lab was tied to his house's railing - he appeared to be
patiently waiting while his/her owner ran in the house to get
something We watched us even stood and sat but made no real
moves towards us. Just sat there. Yoshi had no issue with
this dog at all. On the way home, we saw a bouncy version of a
very similar dog taking his/her owner for a walk. Bark bark
lunge. I wrestle him into a sit and he holds it there very grudgingly
while the dog passes by.
Sun Jun 7
Took Trek for a hike in Redwood Regional
Park. Note to self and anyone who'll listen. It's difficult
to explain the concept of a loop hike to a tired dog. I had
blithely taken a route that was it turned out 3 miles long. It
appears that Trek gets tired after 2, so at 2 miles into the 3 mile
loop, she stops and sits down and gives me this very clear "I want to
go back" message. Now just try to explain to doggy that it's much
shorter to keep going and turning around is longer. i sat down
with her for a little while and then just carried her for a short way
until we hit a semi steep downhill and it wasn't safe for me to carry
her, then she came down the hill and after a while stopped again.
Repeat the same procedure. Fortunately Trek has this amazing
homing device in her head and even though we were a trail that she'd
never been on, she knew when we turned in the direction of the car and
she perked right up and led me all the way to the car (with help with
the strange navigation up to the parking lot.)
All in all pretty amazing and good exercise for both of us but I think we'll do Out and Back trips for the near future.
Just so I remember our loop route was.
Start: District Office Parking lot off Skyline.
Dunn Trail nice popular fire road
Graham Trail less popular fireroad nice feel to it
Montrios Trail has some steep sections
Return on Golden Spike Trail - a favorite trail though has some poison oak.
Very last few feet are back on Dunn. Don't forget to turn right to get back to the parking lot.
For the future I think we'll just do out and back on Dunn.
Thu-Sat - Up in Redding, never
made it to Shasta because of nasty weather, but we went to Lassen for a
day. Terri walked Trek and had Yoshi run around the yard looking
for squirrels.
Yoshi's window behavior continues to be stellar. I did beep him
once and the Whoa! look he gave the beeper was perfect. It's
tempting to find a way to take that on the road, but not sure how to
make that work. Maybe in recall training. Too bad I don't
have three hands as it would be a big help if he's about to lunge at a
dog.
I'm now totally commited to learning to be the best sheep herding handler I can.
Tue Jun 2
Trek walk.
This time I took her just on a martigale and a std 6' leather leash just over my wrist and it worked fine.
I just walked fast which got her more exercise. I just had to
keep her from running. I can keep up with her trot. She did
try to drag me on the way home but I changed directions which only
helped until we again turned for home, but I called her back to me and
said "don't pull" which worked for once. She probably knew I had
the GL in my pocket and would use it if necessary. This means
that Terri can walk her while I'm gone.
Yoshi Walk - fine.
Terri said yes to taking Trek to obedience class on Tue starting Jun 23. Cool.
Mon Jun 1
Yoshi Walk. I stopped to read a sign and right then a dog came
around the corner which set him off barking and I can't say I blame
him. That dog crossed the street fortunately.
Sun May 31
Yoshi Walk
Saw 2 dogs but black labs one was quite close (just across a small
residential street, but sitting with his/her people and Yoshi did
great. The other one was moving and bouncier though further away,
but Yoshi lept up a couple of times growling. It's pretty funny when
people make [cute in this case] assumptions and the resulting side
conversations with one's dog it prompts. I've wrestled him
into a sit twice and he's holding it together and the other owner (with
some other folks) have noticed. "Aww, he's learning, what a good boy!
What a good boy"
To which I privately say to Yoshi "Learning my a*s. You Stay."
To them: I just smile and nod.
I've seen a lot of comedies like that. I should look for the hidden camera.
Trek walk
I put the Gentle Leader on her and while she wasn't happy about it she
didn't perpetrate any drama like throwing her face onto the lawn or on
strangers legs, that both Yoshi and Cali did when they wore it.
She just walked like a normal dog and stopped pulling pretty
quickly. One thing I did different was use the regular leather 6
foot leash and didn't put it around my arm but just over my wrist which
meant I didn't have a hand free (essential for Yoshi, not so much with
her) but that was fine and I had an extra foot of leash which meant
that she and I could walk quickly without her dragging me. I
should try the more usual leash and martingale collar with it just over
my wrist and see if that makes a difference. I can bring the GL
with me and put it on her if need be.
Sat May 30
Trek Walk
So I took her on a different walk just to see something different and
to maybe keep her from dragging me home (it she keeps doing so she's
going in a Gentle Leader). So I took her to the nearby Lincoln
park and that was probably a bit too much maybe. The thing that
stressed her out the most was the active handball court. She wasn't
thrilled about the occasional baseball hit or the kids voices but it's
mostly the percussive sound. Now I have to figure out how to work
on it. The the last block home she tried to drag me and it took
forever as I would stop each time. Then I just started calling
her name and we pretty much heeled home.
At home I put a drum solo and cranked the subwoofer where I could
definitely feel the beats and she stayed comfortably curled up under
Terri's chair, which like her crate is her safe zone (I even
later made sounds on a mandolin and a drum and she was ok - iffy but
ok. After telling Terri that she had to come with us to agility
from now on I went looking for something else. Played drop the
tennis ball in the living room and some fetch and then switched to a
squeaky toy for some fun fetch. I don't know the way through this
yet.
Yoshi on the other hand will immediately come out of the window when I
call him. He did lose it once and I did make the beeping sound
and he immediately stopped. It's so effective I feel kinda guilty.
I shortened one of Yoshi's herding wands and also got out a couple of
riding crops that I've been hanging on to. One of them should do
well in herding.
Fri May 29
I'm bummed that Marian doesn't want some great video of her and Yoshi
available publicly on You Tube. This means that I have to go
back to handling him since I want to post his training progress on You
Tube as well as here. I do have it listed as private so I can
grant individual access to see it for those who are You Tube
members. If you want to see it let me know and I can grant you
access.
I wish I could make it clear what a gold mine the free advertising on
You Tube is. Not that I make any money on it, but people have put
great promo vids on it.
So I need to watch the videos of Marian carefully to see what she does different.
One thing i notice right away is that she waves the stick to get him to
switch directions and doesn't bother switching hands (I think which
hand is more a style thing). Her stick is also shorter and that
makes a difference. She also moves around a fair bit, but there's
not a lot of wasted motion. And the sheep break away from her
too. I have video of wacko sheep headed right at me, with Yoshi
hot on his heels (in that case, Yoshi should be called off to let the
sheep return on his own.)
He's a lot calmer around her and I need to figure out why that is
though he wouldn't sit for her initially last Sat either. We had
to put him away for a little while and when he came back had him drag a
short lead.
Reviewing it again. He's running the elements of a JHD course.
He's still going fast and herky jerky, and she sometimes lets him
circle all the way around and then makes him change direction on the
next time around. She lead out but only about 50 feet. Not
nearly the same distance we've practiced. She moves quickly when
she needs to move, I need to eschew the high top boots for lower top
versions.
He circled wide a couple of times before they headed off. He
caused one split by crowding the sheep and coming on too hard.
Yoshi walk
Got a perfect training opportunity. When we hit Central a Little
Grey Fluffy Dog was walking on the other side of the street and heading
slowly in our direction (still on the other side of the street. As LGFD
approached I had him sit and watch. He vocalized some but
maintained. I let them get past and then we walked along with
them for a couple of blocks. He held it together though when I
thought he was about to lose it, I would interupt him with a word, or
collar pull (not a correction) or a word - though words alone don't
always work if he's starting.After the interruption, he would happily
reengage with me. It was definitely dancing on the edge of his
threshold, but he did it and did it quite well, and miles different
than how he would have been even a few months ago.
Thu May 28
Something but I forget what. Oh yeah.
Yoshi is afraid enough of the beep that it doesn't have to be on
him. Just near him. I can just leave it on the
coffeetable. Trouble is that he won't go in the room then unless
he on the inside of a crate. Well, he's not screaming at the
window...
Wed May 27
Trek walk. they were stripping a roof off and tossing it into a
truck. True to form, it was ok for a little while then all she
wanted to do was get away. I carried her 1/4 of a block but she
still wanted to drag me till we'd reached 1/2 a block away. Then
she was ok but in the last block wanted to drag me again and we took
forever to get home as I stop every time she pulls on me.
Yoshi Rally Class. He did great. No reactions at all save
for a single growl and that was very brief and more to himself than
anyone. It's too bad that this will be his last class with these
dogs as he's now used to them, having the continuity of the same dogs
week to week helped a lot and also having it only be 6 dogs helped a
lot too. In contrast the obedience dropin class can have 10 or
more dogs and the dogs will change (though a lot stay the same).
Also Rally is a good skill for him as he's pretty good at it. The
next class is Excellent Rally and that's beyond his skill level but
Hazel is encouraging us to sign up and she says we can do it all on
leash. I'm vasilating as it is more money than just doing drop in
but the stability is a nice thing.
For sits and downs I did two things different. (1) I brought one
of his mats for him to sit/down on (it's funny though he kept wanting
to down on it.) and (2) I put his citronella collar on him though I
never had to beep him but he was aware it was on him. Eventually
I'd like to be able to tether him and be a distance away to see the
effect of the beep though if a dog doesn't come in he's very good about
staying.
Linda Mecklinburg Awesome Paws Handling System
I want to get more information on APHS beyond what I've read in Clean
Run but the only thing I see (besides jumping on a plane) is a video on
demand 6 hour lecture that I only have access to for 48 hours for the
mere price of $175,00. Not. I love video but the whole
point of video is that I can replay it over and over again. I
would pay that price, but it has to be for something I can keep.
Tue May 26
Yoshi walk uneventful
As we were on the sofa watching TV while it was still daylight I put
the tone collar on Yoshi and he sat in the window and I watched with
the remote control at the ready. In general he was very
responsive to his name when he would bark and we let him just vocalize
as long as he kept his head (it's really, really obvious when he loses
it.) Then he saw something, likely a dog and launched into a
torrent of full body barking. Yoshi. YOSHI!. I
pressed the tone button but didn't hear it and wasn't sure it worked so
I pressed it again and suddenly he broke off barking and lept
over from one sofa to the other to me (I did hear it this time.) Wow. Wonder if I can
keep it that effective. He smelled a bit like citronella so I may
have pressed the wrong button, but I'm pretty careful about it, so I
don't think so and he wasn't soaked in it. (No biggie though if I
did hit the wrong button. That's the cool thing of it not being a
shock collar.)
Mon May 25 Memorial Day Holiday
Yoshi in the window with the spray collar on. I need to remember
to not test the tone with it on him if I want it to be an effective
aversive. At first he wouldn't even go in the window with the
collar on, but eventually he couldn't resist. I was in the
kitchen keeping an ear out and he started barking. "Yoshi."
Barking. "YOSHI" Still barking. I hit the tone button and
he immediately stops and comes to me. Good boy have a goodie.
20 minutes later I'm at the table in the front area (which shares a
space with the Living Room) eating a bagel and I have the remote with
me. Y's up in the window and he starts barking. "Yoshi."
"YOSHI!" (I'm just about to reach for the remote.) He immediately stops
and comes to me and a reward him handsomely.
I'm hopeful that I can just use it as a tone only collar. That
would be cool. Though it's not horrible if he gets sprayed - it
just means wherever he is gets scented with Citronella.
For now I'll just use it only in this context. I'll have to
ponder if it would be helpful when we're out and about. I think it
would be too much to handle appropriately if he's attached to me (and
I'm good at handling him when he's attached to me.) It might be
useful when working off leash in class (I don't currently have him off
leash at all right now). Maybe on sits and downs but he's
learning the tone means come to me, which may confuse things.
Have to think about it.
Sun Mat 24
Got the Spray Commander Citronella collar out and refilled it, got it
working, and fitted it to him. I let him walk around with it but
he's quite cautious with it on. It has a tone option and I'm
going to use it to work on his Living Room barking fit behavior.
I'll use it as an extension of what we've already been working on.
He starts barking in the window and the order will be: Yoshi, YOSHI, Tone, Short Spray, Longer Spray.
The tone is intended as a remote click but he's already conditioned to
YES and it works well and the tone startles him so it will be a great
mild aversive.
Trek walk - willing to go past more wind chimes without dragging me and will sit near one and eat treats.
Sat May 23
Yoshi Herding.
Derek Fisher (who Marion tells me used to live at Willowside Ranch) was
holding a clinic in the main pens (and the open field) so we were in
the pens up on the hill, which was fun as I'd never been up there.
Yoshi, like a lot of the dogs wouldn't sit or stop for long so we
gathered him up and put him away for a while. When we got him
back out he was much better behaved and did ok but needed me in the
pen. Crazy sheep was there and tried to crash the fence again,
but fortunately I was able to step into his/her path and slow them down
and avoided a crash though Yoshi then raced off after another
one. I even have part of this on video but not sure how I could make it into something understandable.
For the next run she decided to switch to slower sheep and that made a
big difference and was able to do the basics of a Junior Herding Dog
run, without me having to be in the pen at all. Good boy.
Trek is now down to 25 pounds and eating everything in site. I'd
like her to be 24.5 pounds but I don't want her to be ravenous so we'll
increase her food to 1/3 cup per meal and see how that goes.
Fri May 22
A Dog Day.
First
took Trek to the eye dr. The measurement in her dry eye is still
holding at 6. She's so funny. She's finds the waiting area
too noisy but loves the quiet exam rooms and as long as they rub her
belly they could do most anything. She didn't want to come out of
the exam room. Such a silly dog - most dogs are the
reverse. Of course at the regular vet she might be more typical.
Then it was Yoshi's class with Lori. He was a reactive twit at
the beginning with both me and Lori, then he settled down once he
figured out those dogs weren't going away. He was great until
after the class we were talking and a poodle walked in and I had to
tackle him. I'm pretty frustrated with him I must admit.
When I got home I took him on a walk just to remind me that he's better
out doors. He fussed about one dog but coped. I've decided
that before I take more drastic measures (prong collar or Ecollar),
that I really really work a routine with him that we follow de
rigor. When someone (animal vegetable or mineral - ok not
mineral), approaches, he sits and stays until they're past. If he
looks at me he gets rewarded but he has to stay seated. this is
for people, people and dogs, people on bikes, skateboards etc. (not
cars).
Trek agility class
She did a teeter! Cool. I had her get on it and then let
her hop off but beforehand I let her have a bite of steak that Terri
had cooked up. The next time with me standing fairly far away she
jumped right up and went past the tipping point and I fed her steak
just after it (I helped it lower.) She ran a bit slow, but did all
the obstacles which is a nice change from the past 3 weeks.
Too bad she has a 3 week break (Rachelle is in NY next week, then I'm at Shasta the week after.)
Thu May 21
Yoshi noon walk. Saw two dogs.
The first one was one he say first as the dog snuck up on us as I don't
always remember to look behind us. We were crossing the street
and he started to growl lowly and walk stiffly. I didn't see
anything until I looked behind us and saw an Aussie walking along
pleasantly with his mom and a stroller. They were about 1/2 a
street width and less that 1/2 a house width away. Now I don't
train while standing in the middle of the street, or more correctly I
don't play LAT in the middle of the street, so I told him to Leave
It. He came along with me (after I pulled on the leash). but was
still fussing and looking over his shoulder but wasn't having a
meltdown. I repeated Leave It stronger (but not yelling or
shouting), increased my speed, and pulled again. He quieted and
came right along. After a quarter block I looked over my shoulder
and saw they were starting to go in a way perpendicular to us so I
stopped him, told him to sit and stay, and let him watch the dog.
He was able to do this but sitting was very difficult and I had to keep
repositioning him but he did get it.
Second dog was a GSD approaching across the street that he again saw
first. He started to fuss and I was wondering why he was fussing
about two people on our side of the street approaching. Then I
saw the GSD at nearly exactly the same position on the other side of
the street. I sat him and told him to stay. He barked twice
while sitting. Stood up (no lunge, no struggle, nothing like he's
been in the past). I sat him down. Stood up. I sat
him down again. He stayed and was able to cope and eat treats
while the dog passed. I know somewhere in there I did minorly
correct him with a leash pop, but I never raised my voice (kept it at
veiled threat level which seems to work very well with him for things
he can handle), so the correction didn't raise his anxiety like it has
in the past. The generalization appears to be he is fine with
appropriate and fair corrections as long as it's not something that is
making him anxious. Otherwise a correction just helps create a
complete doggie meltdown.
Current dog research. Finding current research on dog pack
dynamics which is based on scientifically based observation is really
difficult as every google search is buried under a lot of dog religion
or theories based on older research People observe a
behavior in their dog and naturally want to explain it, but given
current research it doesn't appear that dog packs have nearly as much
structure as we think they do, so while their observations are obviously
valid, their elaborate explanations may not be correct. Dog
hierarchy may come down to: How bad do you want something and are you
willing to argue about it in order to get it even though fights are
generally to be avoided.
Here's one email I wrote about it (edited): The context is
younger dogs not wanting to run through their pack to recall to their
owner. Their theory says that would violate pack order since
young dog is supposed to be at the back. I say that young
dog may not want to run through a pack of herding dogs because the pack
is, well, herding dogs.
Finding current research on dog pack order is just hell because there's
so much crud vaguely based on older research.
The wolf pack structure was researched in the 60s and 70s and led to the
80s, 90s dominance theories for dogs.
More current research has noticed that (a) wolves don't live nearly so
peacefully at all and (b) feral dogs are nearly anarchists in comparison
to wolves.
This article (that also appeared in ADPT's publication) notes that who's
in charge of a certain resource in a domestic dog pack is very fluid and
depends on how much dog A wants something.
http://www.psyeta.org/jaaws/full_articles/7.4/verkerkhove.pdf
I'd love to see any research that shows if dogs even know what the back
and the front of the pack is and if it has any significance.
It might be more that both dogs know the harzards of
*running* past herding dogs. :)
Wed May 20
Trek noon walk. Again took her near the school. No kids out
so it was just the occasional banging of the chains on metal. She
still didn't like it but was able to cope since it was only
occasional. Then kept walking and would go through period of
trying to drag me which usually meant there was some metal on metal
sound that she didn't like. If she started to drag me I'd stop
and she'd come back and get a treat. Eventually we got back home,
but it took a while.
Yoshi Rally Class. He did much better than last week. Hazel
had asked me to insist more on his attention instead of letting him
look around when he was working and doing that seemed to work.
More of the: remind him to keep his head thing. His only slip up
was trying to lunge at a passing dog in a moment where I was untangling
the leash during a transition time (I think sits had ended and a dog
was changing position). I grabbed him and I unintentionally
rolled him (on his side - I was just grabbing for a body part and wound
up with a handful of his flank) and he suddenly relaxed. This is
amusing as I don't even believe rolling has any effect at all and I
think it was happenstance, but it still is ironic.
I also brought his mat and he was able to down on his mat and even
though we don't spend a lot of time doing mat work (or enough in my
mind), it really seemed to make a difference in keeping him calm - I
also petted him and massaged his neck which he enjoyed and he even
flopped over on his side for a short time. For sits and downs I
should also remember the mat though he did great with them even though
this time I just had him in line with the other dogs and not set apart.
Every time he lingered on a stare I gently told him to leave it and he
reconnected with me. Sometimes I would also pull on the leash
(also gently) if he seemed to need it. For the most part he
wasn't terribly stressed. Did whine some when Scout the Husky
came close, but later desisted and was able to do sits and downs with
Scout next to him.
He did a run through and did great and was able to work with other dogs
sort of near (10-15'), also was able to participate in a line up of
dogs working on going over a jump.
Mon May 18
Trek walk. Walked her over to the school and I learned something
important. Her sensitivity has much more to do with the metallic
sounds (e.g. chains hitting metal) and percussive sounds (e.g. balls
bouncing, dogs barking in enclosed spaces) and maybe not so much
screaming kids though they are a factor too.
Sun May 17
CU Streetwalking Session
They'll be four of us working one dog at a time with a non-reactive dog across the street.
We'll start with Jack the stuffed JRT I have. If that doesn't get a response then we'll use Jesse or Trek.
The main point of this is to find each dog's threshold and under what
circumstances (other dog approaching, standing, looking, ignoring,
walking away) and what makes things better for the CU dog.
It went very well and we all learned a lot:
A post to CU_Dogs_SF:
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who showed up for the Alameda CU
Streetwalking session.
Even though it was weirdly hot for Alameda, the breeze mercifully picked
up and saved us all from cooking.
We learned some surprising things about our dogs and I'll give those
involved some time to post about their own dogs.
My dog was of course 1st in the Be a Jerk class, but even his outbursts
were generally brief.
Jack the stuffed JRT made his debut.
We put a leash on Jack sent he and a "handler" (me or Terri) across the
street and stood there tugging slightly on the leash to make him move
slightly.
The handler would also move Jack around to various places when the CU
dog wasn't looking. We'd also spend time petting Jack or talking to
him. I couldn't resist working on his great Stay. Sit and Come still
need work.
Except for Yoshi, none of the dogs paid him any attention. As you might
guess, my neighbors are amused.
The JRT stuffed dog was bought to help Yoshi who has some sort of
persecution complex about small whitish dogs (among others), so it's no
surprise that he stared very hard at it, and it's nice to know that
we'll be able to do more work using Jack in that regard - We carefully
made sure Yoshi never got very close to Jack, but given that he treated
Trish King's stuffed Dobe like it was a real dog, it probably doesn't
matter.
I now know that Yoshi's threshold distance increases when the dog across
the street is excited and bouncing as opposed to just walking normally.
With a normally walking dog his distance is one residential street width
and one Alameda house width. Bouncing dogs increase the distance by
another house width.
If you're thinking of having your own street walking gathering, here's a
few things we noticed.
- Consider having the gatherings at several different locations. Expect
the host dog to be among the worst behaved since you're on their turf.
For some of the dogs simply being in a new place with new smells filled
up the brain cells quite nicely and seemed to have a calming effect (too
bad that doesn't work with my hypervigilant dog).
- Make note of any of the surrounding conditions. Things that made our
session unique were that it was (a) on a relatively quiet residential
street (b) kids and the occasional bike or scooter would pass by (c)
cars were moving only about 30 mph or less (d) we do have some barking
neighborhood dogs and (e) it was hot.
- Have more than one non-CU dog of differing sizes. If they can do a
stressor on command that helps. In our case, Trek can bark on command,
and we also had a bouncing adolescent (which she comes by naturally).
- Have different possible routes back to the start point
- Have a way that CU dog can retreat if necessary
- Do one dog at a time
- Have fun, make it a low key party.
General approach that I used was:
- send the non-CU dog and handler across the street and have them just
stand or sit there in plain view about a house width down.
- bring out CU dog, and let him/her notice the dog - if they choose not
to that's ok too, but generally they'll be playing LAT.
- then depending on the CU dog, have the non-CU dog move around - walk
up the street a few houses then turn around and do the same thing
- at this point you can do whatever you like. non-cu dog could run, or
do tricks, parallel walk, optionally come to the same side of the street
and have then stand closer.
- we didn't have the dog's meet, you can choose to, but dog greetings
usually need more lateral space than a sidewalk as arcing non-direct
approaches work best, so it's a lot harder to orchestrate and you really
don't need to do it.
- then put the CU dog away and bring out another CU dog or let the
non-CU dog take a break.
Looking forward to hearing from others.
Ellen and CU Yoshi (aka Bolt)
and CU training assistant Trek
Sat May 16
Yoshi Herding
Well things started out a basic disaster. The first session had
him crash a sheep into a fence and I don't have enough sheep smarts to
know when one is going to crash (I was filming). For the second
session he was in a much smaller size pen with heavier sheep and he did
great. I think with the lighter sheep he's just overfaced right
now and can't resist the chase and hasn't yet learned to flank.
This is odd as flanking is exactly what he does when he sees a
squirrel. Trek will run at it and he will run out to the
side. I hope he figures out he needs to do this with sheep
too. Reviewing the video it's hard for me to tell when a sheep is
going to turn away from the fence and when they're going to hit.
The main thing is that he has to be able to recall from chasing a sheep
and last week he did but not so much this time. This recall I'm
realizing is vitally important to him in real life as it's when he's
locked on that I can't get him to listen. He learned his Corgi
Pack charge very well and came that way and I've been battling that
ever since. i'm really hoping he can learn this discipline on
sheep as the next step is an E-Collar and working out timing on that is
critical for it to be at all effective and I'd hate to have to do that
to him, but I've been contending with his trainer that delayed
corrections are ineffective and this is the obvious solution to instant
corrections. The good thing is that with an E-collar I could
train him
off leash which is something I don't do now. But he's been making
such great progress recently it would be a shame to have to go
backwards to it. And he is a sensitive boy (even it he's also a
complete asshat sometimes) and an E-collar could potentially make him
even more weird than he already is (mystery shock coming out of
nowhere). Right now he's weird but consistently weird and I know
how to respond to him.
Here's an example:
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16703
I suppose I could just use the tone/vibrate part. Anyway it's not a decision I have to make any time soon.
So for next time for herding it is going to be heavy sheep in a
larger pen. It is tempting to do it next Saturday, but I really
should be prepping for Shasta, but I could probably do that Sunday.
Fri May 15
Today was a good day for both dogs
Noon Yoshi Walk
A few doors down they were replacing a telephone pole which involved a
lot of people and a cherry picker and a fair bit of comotion and
calling out. Yoshi and I stopped to watch for a little bit and he
was totally fine, even took time out to see a neighbor who asked "Is
that a Corgi?" and he waltzed right up to her "Well yes I am!" We
then moved on past the hubub and I'm thinking that Trek would have been
terrified and I would have had to carry her. Yoshi is cheerfully
walking along and I'm trying not to be morose about what a terrific dog
I have when the world is dog free.
Then as we're at the corner of Central and Court, he sees a dog (medium
sized lab) across the street and three houses down and barks but once
again not a threatened bark but more an alerting bark. Since
we're at a corner we move half a house width down (I later paced it off
as 10 of my longer paces which is around 2.5 feet). and had him sit and
play leave it and LAT. This time I stood up and let the leash
loose so he could have lunged, but he didn't. This is his
threshold now. One street width and one half of an Alameda house
width (or more it was a largish house). I do need to keep in mind
that he's usually ok with black labs and the distance may be more with
something like a husky or JRT or LWFD.
On Gibbons I see another dog (something like a GSD) before he does this
time and again we go about half a house width down Johnson and set up
and he's able to sit and eat treats and watch the dog again.
Phew. This time after the dog has passed he seems more up and on
his toes but he usually is at the intersection of Lincoln and Gibbons
as there's quite a bit of foot traffic there and a lot for him to keep
an eye on - plus it's the turn for home. I slow him down and get
him to reconnect and we get home fine. I'm so happy to see him
coping. Too bad we can't make ODTC larger.
I was experimenting with him moving past the dog, but he is less
successful at that. The moving seems to excite him. It's
funny you'd think that it would be less pressure to move on past a dog,
but in herding he is learning to stay put in the face of very exciting
sheep so he has a context for it.
Trek class. This is her first time back at class since taking he
off the Cyclosporine. She had some hesitation about coming out of
the crate but I didn't make a big deal of it but reached in and clipped
on the leash. As soon as I did that she came right out and jumped
in my arms ready to go.
She still didn't want to do the teeter and I didn't force her beyond
having her stand on the bottom, but she did the dogwalk and A-Frame
several times (and was heavily rewarded for it). One very telling
thing was that she didn't want to go anywhere near the canopy at
first. I realized that last time, there were some loudly barking
dogs under it, and the echoing must have freaked her out some. I
was also trying to leave her in a crate then for walk throughs like I
would at a trial. This time I went back to taking her along
during the walk through and she was much happier about that.
Also had her do a jump chute of 8" and 12" jumps which she seemed to enjoy.
She's entered in trials June 20 and 21. For the AKC one I'll just skip the teeter and the CPE one won't have a teeter.
She's also entered in the large Bay Team 4th of July one but that's a
ways off so I'm not going to worry about it. We may just go down
and not do very much at all besides jumpers and gamblers and maybe
snooker .
Wed May 13
Had some time in the morning before work, so was able to squeeze in a
walk with Trek in the morning. We've never done that before so to
some extent she was wondering what was going on but she coped. It
was early enough that there weren't large hordes of children out yet,
just a few here and there.
Yoshi Advanced Rally Class. Will my dog ever stop being a twit
about moving dogs around him? He has such a big personal space
bubble and I can get it down to just over a street width but there's no
where near that amount of space in the training facility. He has
gone there quite a lot and has coped in the past and has gone there
once a month for years. Once he gets used to the dogs he's
generally ok but just as soon as a new dog appears or a dog he's iffy
about walks by and I don't have food in his face he barks or growls and
tries to lunge. As soon as he realizes that he's supposed to play
look at that he usually can cope but this time a couple of the dogs
sent him way over threshold (through no fault of the other dogs.)
I can't decide whether he needs more of ODTC or less. My thought
is more and I should walk him before hand to have him a little tired
(he didn't have a walk today.) It's funny as there are other
times there where he's been great but it's usually around the confident
Utility dogs and not these less confident Rally dogs.
Tue May 12
Yoshi Walk. Saw two dogs both completely different, but useful experiences.
First one was a medium size brown dog which he did bark at more excited
than anything. Because the other dog seemed completely
unconcerned we spun around and parallel walked with them about 3
blocks. Yoshi pretty much pranced up on his toes in that high
alert sort of way the whole time, but was able to maintain and earn
treats.
The second dog was across the street on our own block but not one we
knew. It was a very precious Little White Fluffy Dog (Bichon
Frise), which is a type of dog Mr Y. can be just horrible about.
As we walked by I gave him the opportunity to see the dog and earn
treats and he was great. This dog was also off leash, but didn't
seem to be moving fast. So Y and I sat for a while and then
started to move on. Then I heard the owner call out the dog's
name. Oh this should be fun as that likely means LWFD has taken
the ill advised choice of running across the street to say hello (no
cars fortunately). I take a hold of Yoshi's collar and start
feeding him. LWFD is about 10 feet behind us looking cute.
Yoshi is chowing down, but keeping a careful eye on the dog and doing
this odd snorting as he tries to growl and eat at the same time, but
he's not lunging and is very happy to keep eating. The owner
catches up and I explain that Yoshi isn't friendly to his kind of dog,
and the owner gathers LWFD up and Y and I move on. Phew. At
least LWFD didn't come bounding right up.
Trek walk. Uneventful.
Mon May 11
Trek walk. Normally during the day I walk Yoshi, but Trek needs
the exercise and I won't have time in the evening because I need to
host a BiFriendly meeting in SF. She did fine. I
deliberately didn't take her anyplace that she would find stressful,
though we did pass a person using a car vac. She kept an eye on
it but was ok and got lots of treats for it.
Sun May 10
I did make the herding movie but it's mostly with the camera pointed
all over the place and lots of good audio, so I think I won't post it
on You Tube and will work on making a more presentable one next time.
Just posted this to coltsrunkids and frapfest
I decided after letting Yoshi crash a sheep into the fence (the sheep
is fine - I was shook), that he was just too much dog for me in the
herding arena and that I should have our instructor handle him. I wish
I had made that decision a couple of months back, but I guess I needed
to find out for myself. They had their first session together last
Saturday and he did fantastic. I did have to go into the arena as he
wanted me there, but was fine (mostly - he would stress from time to
time, but then recover) with Marian working him. Same stupid sheep
crashed the fence again, but at least it's not me doing it. :)
I've never seen him so happy, I'm excited for his herding future. I'm
having her train for the trial level and will skip the PT level in case
I ever want to do it with him in the future.
The funny thing is that if I'm in the arena, he'll still bring me
sheep. I'll be filming and notice that the sheep are getting bigger
and bigger in the viewfinder - eek. Gee thanks Yoshi - how thoughtful
of you.
Ellen
and Yoshi (Look what I brought you!)
and Trek (Herding? Make him do it.)
Sat May 9
Yoshi herding. This time I had Marian handle him and that worked
out fantastic. He would come running back to me once in a while
and eventually I did have to go in but other than that he worked great
for her. The only problem is that sometimes he brings sheep to ME
while I'm trying to film so I have this great effect of a sheep getting
larger and larger in the frame. Thanks for the present Yoshi
("Look what I brought you!") The video is very herky jerky so I'm
not sure if I'll put it on You Tube, but the audio is important so I
made a full movie of it, even if it only lives on the Mac and maybe a
backup.
KFOG KBoom is clear in the background though not loud. I took
Trek out on the front steps and held her in my arms to see how she'd
do. She listened carefully but didn't seem to react so I took her
in after 5 minutes. Not long after I took Yoshi out (on leash to
help him maintain) and Trek came along. While in the backyard
with the sound of fireworks clear in the background, my hard to predict
sound sensitive dog started playing on her teeter totter - making it
crash down just to add to the noise. Such an odd duck. I
think it has to do with sounds that are close where she can feel the
percussion. And she's just used to her teeter's sound (and she's
making that happen).
One thing I've learned finally is that she has to go at her own
pace. I can encourage her but forcing her is as effective as
squeeing a wet bar of soap. I think I'm just going to let her
skip contact obstacles until's she's ready to do them. One option
is to just do NADAC (no teeter).
Fri May 8
Bayteam USDAA July entries went off this morning. We're camping
then and hopefully we'll be able to get a ringside camping spot
(Starter's ring) since i sent it in relatively early. If that
works that means that I can crate Trek in HER nice quiet car, which is
what she wants. I'll have to remember to send Karey a copy of her
yellow card when it comes.
Need to do both dogs nails at lunch. Did Trek's at lunch and
Yoshi's in the evening. For Yoshi I have to slow the dremmel way
down but he will now let me do them. I start with the dremmel off
and just rub it against his nails then turn it on very low and then
wait for him to start struggling, do his nails some then turn it up a
little and wait again, and repeat. Very slow process, but he's
much less traumatized this way
Trek class. Her sound sensitivity is getting worse and even
barking dogs worry her. She won't even get on contact equipment
at all and she seems different. I have to beg her to come out of
her crate. Karen and Rachelle noticed that she's gained weight
and I verified that she has gained 2 pounds in 2 months which is really
worrisome.
I am going to cut her food down, but the major change has been the
addition of Cyclosporine on Apr 23rd. It's been 3 weeks which is
soon enough to test for effectiveness, but I'm thinking if it's making
her this weird, it's not worth having her on it. I'm going to
take her off of it and let AEC know. A quick web search that
nerological effects are possible but quite rare. No mention
of weight gain so that's probably unrelated. The weight gain is a
concern in case there's tumor, but you can feel the layer of fat so
that's likely the cause. I'll refrain from rushing her off
to her regular vet until she's been off the Cyclo. a week and I can
reevaluate - we'll have class again then too.
Email to AEC:
Trek has been gradually getting weirder and weirder these past couple of
weeks.
She's always been sound sensitive, but it's getting much worse to the
point of not coming out of her crate when we get somewhere in the car.
The only thing that's changed is the addition of Cyclosporine 3 weeks
ago. I know neurological effects are very rare for it but it would just
be our luck wouldn't it? I'm going to take her off of it for a little
while to see if I see her joie de vivre come back.
So we're going to cut out the Cyclosporine and cut her food back and be
more diligent about making sure she gets a walk to as Yoshi has been
getting all his training walks and it's time he shared.
I'm also trying to decide just how much more I want out of Yoshi.
I've been working so hard with him and he's mostly managable right now
but still reactive at times. I don't know if I'll ever get him
not to be reactive and I'm getting tired of shielding him and not
living life (in my mind). Where's the balance? I don't want
to undo all the work we've done but I don't know how much further we'll
get. I'd love for him to just be with me without worrying about
or reacting to other dogs. I don't know if that's possible or not.
Thu May 7
Yoshi Training Walk.
I'm concerned about Trek feeling neglected, but he needs this more
Saw one dog. He say the dog, barked and I was able to collect
him. I'm not sure his behavior is improving esp since the Rally
class started, but Tue's walk went well so I don't think it's fair to
draw conclusions.
Wed May 6
Sent off Corgi Club and Bayteam entries
Yoshi Rally Class. Talked about
- Turning around and obstacle and then fronting,
- Jumping and going to a target. Yoshi is excellent at this so was a
good demo dog - though it's pretty funny that he'll go to the target
eat the treat and then do a perfect front for Hazel who's doing the
target loading. Pretty much have to semi-drag him away to do it
again.
- Kick back stands (i.e. not having to move forward to stand.
Yoshi does this anyway so Hazel encouraged me to put "stand" to it and
not move my hand forward, but instead make a fist in front of his nose
and initially help him stand by touching his tummy (legal at the novice
level).
- Step right laterally. She teaches this by holding the treat in
the opposite direction and using collar pressure. Yoshi was
hopelessly confused by this and I wonder if there's another way to
teach it.. You stand giving him collar pressure he stops thinking.
Tue May 5
Yoshi Training Walk
Saw two dogs - one white dog in particular he/we did very well with
Saw a person walking slowly and slightly off balace in that there's a
living thing attached to me with other opinions sort of style. We
just stopped to watch as I didn't see a dog but there sure seemed to be
one around. Sure enough a medium size whte dog appears, and we
immediately cross the street, and set up. i have Yoshi sit and I
feed him, then once I'm sure he's seen the dog I start walking
backwards still feeding him but he's now moving. Somewhat worried
about the dog but coping. Good boy. Almost right after that
saw another but they were just crossing at a 1/2 block distance, so a
less loaded situation.
Trek meals. Garill suggested putting a spoon in the metal bowl and that's
providing a good challenge for Trek. She doesn't like it, but copes.
Mon May 4
I think I'm going to split the difference as far as picking low key trials.
Skipping the next large one (AKC TRACS), and will do 2 low key (Corgi
and Bayteam CPE) and 1 large one (Bayteam July 4th weekend) since this
is my game too.
So the plan is:
Nothing until my Shasta Trip the first week in June.
Sat June 20th Corgi Club AKC at WAG
Sun June 21st Bayteam CPE at Palo Alto (a trial within an hour's drive!)
July 4-5 Bayteam USDAA Prunedale
then Terri and I are off to Mt Whitney July 15-19.
Then we can do whatever.
I'm not moving Trek up but will keep her at the lowest levels.
This may be a bit counter productive as there's no teeter in CPE level
1 but she'll see one the day before. I might enter her in
Advanced Jumpers in USDAA (in fact I'm supposed to since she has that
title), but I don't have to decide that for a while. I'll just
enter her in P1 and if I need to I can move her up.
Trek Noon Walk (I think it was this day).
She's so interesting about her noise tolerance. She'll cope ok
for a few minutes then will cross a threshold and just when you think
she's going to be ok, will start to majorly stress. Walked over
to the school and the kids were out at recess. Went to the corner
that was across the street from the school and was prepared to
immediately turn back. She seemed unconcerned. Wandered 10
feet down, no issue, 20 feet fine. So we just started
walking. Right after we pass the halfway point she starts to drag
me (which means she's stressin) and wants to run away. Rather
than fight her on the leash, I just pick her up which settles her down
a lot, and we walk to the corner. (very tiring on your arms but a
good arm workout). Turn the corner put her on the ground and
she's still stressed but trying to cope and improves once we turn again
on Moreland (1/2 block away). It's tricky the distance I need to
be away is about the distance of inside the kitchen or living room of
each house - how inconvenient. :)
Sun May 3
Trying to figure out what the essence of Trek's sound sensistivity.
Turns out we're fairly far along. Any recorded sounds/music is fine (they listen to KFOG everyday)
Snoozed through an appalling You Tube video of an automatic shotgun
demo (nothing gruesome just no one should be allowed to have such a
thing.)
Went through a bunch of iTunes sample sound effects - no reaction.
Feed her with a metal bowl - fine.
Finally Terri was outside hammering. That got a response so she got to eat a lot of treats while that happened.
So it's live situations, and human stress levels and shouting definitely have an effect.
So I think we're going to seek out lower key trials like CPE and NADAC
and some AKC for a little while. It's a bummer for me as I love
the huge huge USDAA trials that we (Bayteam) host. But it's
likely that I'll just be working at our USDAA trials for a little while.
Sat May 2
Trek Agility
Noise sensitivity is the main issue.
Tried a hard crate under a canopy which helped but she didn't want to do any contact equipment today.
First Std class. Coaxed her over a teeter, dogwalk and A-Frame and then
finally knocked a bar at the end (was certainly over time anyway.)
Pairs - wouln't do A-Frame
2nd Std Class - no contacts at all - maybe a dogwalk
Sat by Master's ring and every teeter got a treat. She was ok but wasn't happy about it.
If she's in my lap she can cope but on her own can't.
Scratched her from PNS. No Nationals this year. Asked Bayteam for ideas on quiet trials.
Getting lots of responses.
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